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Pawel Hertz писал(а): ↑

Чт сен 27, 2018 8:48 am

Wojtek Guzowski писал(а): ↑

Чт сен 27, 2018 8:10 am

Thx a lot,Alexandr, according to your attitude- isolated MAPCA in adult,rear rarity in adult without any heart desease

MAPCA - forgotten vessels - embriologic Alzheimer

Many thanks! Very impressive!
And to let the intrigue to be completely unveiled, it's interesting to get to know what was the exact point of discrepancy between your opinion, Dr. Hertz, and the opinion of Dr. Guzowski in so called "permanent quarrel about this stuff". Presumably, the issue which is so complex that divided two highly educated cardiosonographers may potentially be quite important for the other sonographers too.

PS Embriogenesis may suffer from Alzheimer's disease good humor!

Taking Nr 1 vessel- red one with inlow brachiocephalic vain sin,3 possibillities:
normal/variant- left supracostal vein or left thoracic internal vein
Anomaly- anomalous left upper pulmonary vein or veins-> verticale vein-> brachiocephalic vein.BCV sin

Wojtek Guzowski писал(а): ↑

Чт сен 27, 2018 1:19 pm

Taking Nr 1 vessel- red one with inlow brachiocephalic vain sin,3 possibillities:
normal/variant- left supracostal vein or left thoracic internal vein
Anomaly- anomalous left upper pulmonary vein or veins-> verticale vein-> brachiocephalic vein.BCV sin

"left supracostal vein or left thoracic internal vein"
Interesting turn. One should keep them in mind... Thx

для Вас Альцгеймер, а для нас - Т21 ,Ю так же как скажем и гетеротаксия

Found a fourth one :

One flow is a secret, on the left side on a monitor, blue-red.Below BCV sin