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Re: загадка "одышка "

Добавлено: Чт авг 16, 2018 6:51 pm
Pawel Hertz
AOkhotin писал(а):
Чт авг 16, 2018 5:50 pm
Do you monitor SpO2 during stress test?
There is possibility, but not as routine and not in this patient

Re: загадка "одышка "

Добавлено: Чт авг 16, 2018 7:01 pm
Wojtek Guzowski
Exactly,do you?Pawel?
In Norway is this standard,monitoring of saturation?
Now,I see your answer,ok,You did not expect something wrong

Re: загадка "одышка "

Добавлено: Чт авг 16, 2018 7:05 pm
Pawel Hertz
And finally CT in LE protocoll :

Re: загадка "одышка "

Добавлено: Чт авг 16, 2018 7:07 pm
Pawel Hertz
Cine loop

Re: загадка "одышка "

Добавлено: Чт авг 16, 2018 7:08 pm
Pawel Hertz
Cine loop 2.

Re: загадка "одышка "

Добавлено: Чт авг 16, 2018 7:15 pm
AOkhotin
Nice case, thank you. I think I wouldn't do D-dimer or legs ultrasound just because of mild exercise induced pulmonary hypertension in 75 y.o.
But it is always worth listening to patient, not saying "you are ok" if he says you "I am not ok".
William Osler" писал(а):Just listen to your patient, he is telling you the diagnosis.
Did you perform CT of pulmonary arteries?

Re: загадка "одышка "

Добавлено: Чт авг 16, 2018 7:16 pm
AOkhotin
Oops, I see you did.

Re: загадка "одышка "

Добавлено: Чт авг 16, 2018 7:19 pm
AOkhotin
Interestingly, right ventricle seems slightly enlarged on CT, but not on echo. May be it was enlarged in some other views?

Re: загадка "одышка "

Добавлено: Чт авг 16, 2018 8:00 pm
Wojtek Guzowski
If there is enlargement of right ventricle,rather in a shape of Athlet's heart than CTEPH,in my opinion

Re: загадка "одышка "

Добавлено: Чт авг 16, 2018 8:59 pm
AOkhotin
Wojtek Guzowski писал(а):
Чт авг 16, 2018 8:00 pm
If there is enlargement of right ventricle,rather in a shape of Athlet's heart than CTEPH,in my opinion
In this plane it seems to me more like in PE. But single plane obviously is not enough and I am not a specialist in CT.

Re: загадка "одышка "

Добавлено: Чт авг 16, 2018 11:14 pm
Pawel Hertz
AOkhotin писал(а):
Чт авг 16, 2018 8:59 pm
Wojtek Guzowski писал(а):
Чт авг 16, 2018 8:00 pm
If there is enlargement of right ventricle,rather in a shape of Athlet's heart than CTEPH,in my opinion
In this plane it seems to me more like in PE. But single plane obviously is not enough and I am not a specialist in CT.
Maybe it is a little bit enlarged in CT, yes , but to be honest CT is not a good tool to validate ventricle enlargement if nott spectacular anlarged. I give you also CT of helthy patient from my collection that one can asses right ventricle enlargement. As a curiosity - from my collection I want to pressent you spectactacular ecco case of pulmonary embolism

Re: загадка "одышка "

Добавлено: Чт авг 16, 2018 11:24 pm
Pawel Hertz
and CT of this man:

Re: загадка "одышка "

Добавлено: Чт авг 16, 2018 11:27 pm
Wojtek Guzowski
Incredible,total attack

Re: загадка "одышка "

Добавлено: Пт авг 17, 2018 12:03 am
AOkhotin
Impressive images. Had you performed thrombolysis?

Re: загадка "одышка "

Добавлено: Пт авг 17, 2018 12:28 am
Pyankov Vasily
Не совсем логичный путь к диагнозу. Невизуализирующий стресс-тест в 72 года с одышкой при физ. нагрузке?! Интересно, что явилось причиной DVT? Вторичная тромбофилия? Онкопатологии не выявлено?

P.S. Артемий! Какой бы диагностический алгоритм выбрали Вы у данного пациента?